Lily whelped a nice litter of 10, 3 males and 7 females on 3/7/2020. They are tri-color and white & black, with a variety of markings. Starting 5/2/2020, at 8 weeks old they will be ready to go. Males and females are available.

Contact Jason Gooding at 715-977-1281 or 715-796-2392




This is Lily’s third litter, her second by Brutus. She puts her natural ability and talent for hunting into her puppies. She has hunted grouse, woodcock, pheasants, sharptails, partridge and quail in six states. Lily is sired by OCTOBER MOUNTAIN HEATH. Her dam, Daisy, traces directly to our original Rymans and a cross to Twombly breeding.  Lily has a CHIC certification. This means her hips (Good), elbows (Normal), hearing (Normal) and thyroid (Normal) are all OFA certified.


Brutus was been a great hunting partner and strong sire in our breeding program. He has been hunted on grouse and woodcock in northern Wisconsin, pheasants and sharptails in the Dakotas and quail in Kansas. He is a strong, natural pointer and works well to the gun. He hunts a close range in the woods, yet opens up slightly in the western prairie, adapting to the open terrain. Brutus is by a great sire from our past, GOODGOING CLASSIC ZEUS. His dam’s breeding includes PINECOBLE and other Ryman lines. Brutus has a CHIC certification. This means his hips (Good), elbows (Normal), hearing (Normal) and thyroid (Normal) are all OFA certified.

There Is No Such Thing As “Environmental” Hip Dysplasia

Your Dog’s Environment Did Not Make It Dysplastic

Puppy on Stairs
If this puppy has the genes for normal hips these stairs won’t make it dysplastic.

Barring a traumatic injury, if a dog doesn’t have the genes for Hip Dysplasia it’s hips will develop normally.

It’s all over the Internet. “Information” about how the environment makes puppies become dysplastic. Too much food, the wrong food, jumping, climbing, too much exercise, not enough exercise, and so on, and so on…

It’s no wonder so many people ask: How do I know what caused my dog’s Hip Dysplasia?
The answer is simple: Genes Caused It.

No study has shown that environment can induce Hip Dysplasia in a dog that is genetically normal. NOT ONE.

Numerous researchers have studied environmental influences on the development of Hip Dysplasia, particularly related to nutrition. None of them have found an environmental cause. The Orthopedic Foundation for Animals’ statement1 on the subject sums up the entirety of what those studies have demonstrated:

“Kasstrom, and later Kealy, reported that a higher than needed caloric intake during the rapid growth phase may result in earlier and more severe dysplastic changes when the genetic potential for dysplasia is present. Lower caloric intake may minimize or delay the evidence of dysplasia in the same dog, but will not change the genotype. Without genetic predisposition however, environmental influences alone will not create hip dysplasia.” (emphasis added)

Despite zero evidence, the belief that environment can cause Hip Dysplasia refuses to die. In recent years the idea has had an Internet-fueled resurgence, typically promoted by people who either misinterpret the (in)famous Kealy/Purina lifetime study mentioned by the OFA, or they misunderstand a statistical concept called heritability2. Or both. Even some seemingly knowledgeable people who should know better from their college days.

Don’t be fooled. If a dog has Hip Dysplasia it is because of it’s genes. To be continued…


1The Use of Health Databases and Selective Breeding pg. 23
2Heritability is difficult to understand, and the Kealy study can easily be misinterpreted if you look at it the wrong way. Both subjects are up next in our Hip Dysplasia series. series on Canine Hip Dysplasia. Our comprehensive guide to HD and the effective steps breeders and buyers can take to control it.

Upcoming Series on Hip Dysplasia
Old Age Arthritis is Not Normal, It Comes From Hip Dysplasia
Chronic Pain From Canine Hip Dysplasia: Can You Miss It?
There Is No Such Thing As “Environmental” Hip Dysplasia


Cross-posted from our own blog.

OFA X-Rays Are Not Difficult!

To our amazement, and disappointment, the biggest obstacle to our hip program has been, and continues to be, veterinarians. Although a majority of vets have been supportive and helpful,  our puppy buyers regularly encounter resistance when they ask for the hip x-rays we require, especially regarding the use of anesthesia which we recommend against.

Most people don’t have any idea what the process of getting an OFA hip x-ray is actually like, so they don’t know when the information they are given is false. Let’s go over some of what our buyers face, and then we’ll take a look at the x-ray procedure.

Here are some of the most common roadblocks our customers run into with their veterinarian:

  • The BIG one: “You can’t take an OFA x-ray without anesthesia.” Yes you can. The only exception is a very strong dog that fights the positioning, in which case they can be given a little sedation. We haven’t sedated one since 1996.
  • “The OFA requires anesthesia.” Not true. Here is the veterinarian info from the bottom of an OFA application. If anesthesia was required there wouldn’t be an option to check “Physical restraint only”.

  • “You can’t get good positioning unless the dog is anesthetized.” Again, this may be true for dogs that are big and very strong but otherwise it is not the case, especially if the dog has a prominent spine as English setters have. If the dog is awake the muscle resistance actually helps keep the body lined up.
  • “I won’t do it without anesthesia because I don’t want to expose my employees to more radiation.” The process is identical whether the dog is awake or under anesthesia.
  • “The dog might bite someone.” If that’s a concern the dog can be muzzled.
  • “It’s painful.” Unless the dog is dysplastic this excuse is hogwash! See video below.
  • “OFA evaluations can’t be done before 2 years of age.” From the OFA website:
    “The OFA accepts preliminary consultation radiographs on puppies as young as 4 months of age for evaluation of hip conformation.”
  • “Dogs have to be registered in order to do an OFA”, or “They have to be registered with the AKC”. Not true. If a dog is not registered it will be assigned a study number that includes “NOREG” (we have over 300 reports on file that were done like this).

There are more, but these are the most common.

Here is what it’s really like.

It’s understandably hard to know what to think when your vet is using these arguments. Yesterday we took three dogs in for hip x-rays and shot a video of the process so everyone can see what’s involved.

  • The first dog is a 6 month old puppy. In our experience puppies of this age are virtually always calm and easy to deal with.
  • Second dog is an adult that is strong and fought the positioning more.
  • Third is another adult. She’s not dead at the end, just relaxed and being obedient:-)

The vet has to be able to see the positioning for the hip films, so experience makes a big difference. Our vet got acceptable x-rays first try on all three of these dogs, but to be fair he sometimes takes more than one before he’s satisfied with the positioning.

Two people are all that’s necessary, but a third one in the middle can make it easier to line things up well.

The X-Rays

Here are the 3 hip x-rays from yesterday in the same order as the films were taken.

Litter update

Our litter born December 29th is thriving. Chica whelped 4 females and 7 males. This breeding has produced a mix of markings. Some are tri-colcored, some have head patches and 2 or 3 likely will prove to be orange beltons as their colors become more developed.  The litter was sired by Goodgoing Trooper Run, from Jason Gooding’s program. The resultant litter’s pedigree is strong on Pinecoble, October and West Virginia Ryman dogs. Both the sire and dam are close coupled, muscular dogs weighing about 60 pounds. Pups will go to new homes starting the last weekend in February, after vaccinations are started, microchips implanted and BAER hearing tests at Cornell University’s veterinary school. We still have  room for some deposits towards pups from this litter. Contact us at or 315.595.6617.


RS Breeders Gathering 2020: Final Day

Our last morning together in Kansas began with a setter show and tell, which gives everyone a chance to ask questions and get to know each other’s breeding dogs in person.

After that it was time to get the dogs back in the covers and soak in one last beautiful Kansas day.

The Gathering is over for this year, but everyone is heading home in the morning already anticipating next time!

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